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1--- Did Giovanni become an hero? on Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:59 pm

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As we all know, in HG/SS, if you go to Ilex Forest and visit the Shrine with a Fateful Encounter Celebi following behind you, you get taken back three years in time.

Since some have not done this yet, I am going to post the rest in a little Spoiler tab. READ AT YOUR OWN RISK.

Spoiler:
So you and Ethan get sent to a scene where Silver [your rival] and Giovanni is talking. We learn that Giovanni is Silver's father, but he was too busy trying to build up his company to pay attention to his child. He leaves him standing there all alone after Silver has pleaded with him to stay. No wonder Silver turned out to be such a bad seed!

Anyway... after this, we end up in a cave [Tohjo Falls] where we must fight Giovanni. This is where his hide out was located after FireRed / LeafGreen.

After you defeat him, he gives this long emo kid speech and basically says that his life his meaningless.
He then flees. We hear a SPLASH! And Giovanni is never seen again. I personally think that he killed himself. None of his Pokemon know Waterfall, and he clearly went off in the water. How could he survive that?

I want to know your thoughts! Other theories?

Here's the video. Once again, don't watch this if you don't want to spoil the surprise.



Also, don't read any other posts in this topic if you don't want to spoil the surprise as there might be information which gives away the happenings.


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2--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:19 pm

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There is a possibility he swam of to shore. But still, you may be right.

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3--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:03 pm

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Neutral My mind is blown. Too bad I did this part with volume off Sad

4--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:38 pm

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I've heard rumors that he's going to be in Black & White, but... I am seriously CONVINCED that he killed himself. He was being such an emo kid. I don't see why he would jump in the water and swim to shore when he could just go the other way and be on land... you know?

I almost missed it too, by the way, Itachi. My volume was off, but my friend had mentioned this, and I remembered to turn my volume on at the last minute. They make a BIG DEAL about the splash, so... it has to have some significance.

So - if we never see Giovanni in another game again, I think we'll have our definite answer.

I mean, if I lost my life's work to a 10 year old multiple times, I think I'd off myself too.


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5--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:49 am

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Wow.. Maybe this is true..


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6--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:59 am

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Jojo- wrote:Wow.. Maybe this is true..

my thoughts too...


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7--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:45 pm

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I think he swam off somewhere. I mean, if they wanted him to dissapear, then you'd probably end the battle and he'd dissapear. He's definently comig back.


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8--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:35 pm

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Dude, that's my point. In the past, the lights flickered off for a second and then he was just GONE... off to work on some other scheme. This time, though? He RAN OUT, emotionally distraught, and jumped in a freakin' waterfall--which I highly doubt he'd be able to survive in without a Pokemon who knows the move Waterfall.


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9--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:20 am

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very true

10--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:36 am

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I hope he killed himself. Pokémon really needs some dark moments. Suicide is always a winner.


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11--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:30 pm

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I hope so!
Team Rocket was the worst of any of the evil teams, so I hope he never comes back!

12--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:11 pm

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Maybe he tries to kill himself and he ends up washed ashore in one of the towns in Black/White with amnesia. xD


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13--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:57 pm

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Supposedly Team Rocket's supposed to be in Black and White, though!
I miss them, actually. I didn't like Team Magma, etc. =/
And I never saw Team Galactica, but...


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14--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:02 pm

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adoxography wrote:Supposedly Team Rocket's supposed to be in Black and White, though!
I miss them, actually. I didn't like Team Magma, etc. =/
And I never saw Team Galactica, but...

I need to talk to you and I can't pm yet so this is the only way I know how. Did you have an acount on pokemonelite2000.com

15--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:42 am

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If team rocket comes back in Black and White and have grunts who aren't as easy to defeat as in HG/SS or FR/LG then I cant wait!
They are my favorite group, but they seem to be the easiest to beat which makes me hate them at the same time!!

16--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:12 am

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TR are the best. Magma, Aqua, and Galactic all failed at life and shouldn't be allowed to exist. (:


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17--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:43 pm

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Novex wrote:
adoxography wrote:Supposedly Team Rocket's supposed to be in Black and White, though!
I miss them, actually. I didn't like Team Magma, etc. =/
And I never saw Team Galactica, but...

I need to talk to you and I can't pm yet so this is the only way I know how. Did you have an acount on pokemonelite2000.com

...What on earth? I signed up for that forum, posted only a few times, hated it, and haven't returned. Don't freakin' stalk me to a new forum and spam up topics I make.

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18--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:38 pm

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R.I.P Giovanni the man who showed me how NOT to battle

*Dances* YEAH HE'S DEAD!!!!!!

19--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:43 pm

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boy from asension wrote:R.I.P Giovanni the man who showed me how NOT to battle

*Dances* YEAH HE'S DEAD!!!!!!

Yes its true he showed us how not to battle, but he was also a gym leader...i would assume that you would have to really prove yourself to become a gym leader...well i would think. He may have just cheated to get that far now that i think about it, i would love to see how a guy like him became a gym leader and for some reason no one noticed he was the leader of team rocket Reading...

20--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:45 pm

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Leon Angel wrote:
boy from asension wrote:R.I.P Giovanni the man who showed me how NOT to battle

*Dances* YEAH HE'S DEAD!!!!!!

Yes its true he showed us how not to battle, but he was also a gym leader...i would assume that you would have to really prove yourself to become a gym leader...well i would think. He may have just cheated to get that far now that i think about it, i would love to see how a guy like him became a gym leader and for some reason no one noticed he was the leader of team rocket Reading...

Well, it's kind-of like the mafia. The leader can be some high-up political person and even if everyone knows, nobody says anything. You know what I mean?

Blue > Giovanni.


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21--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:48 pm

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oh the Corleone approach...nice

22--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:32 am

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Well the definitions of Hero and Villain arent absolute. And in fact, nothing is absolute.

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23--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:50 pm

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Shutterbox wrote:Maybe he tries to kill himself and he ends up washed ashore in one of the towns in Black/White with amnesia. xD
Hmmm........ I'll be pondering that........

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24--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:31 pm

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I doubt he's dead. That splash doesn't exactly mean that he died. You only saw him use 4 pokemon in battle, so he probably has 2 HM Slaves and used Surf. I doubt losing to a child four times will make you kill yourself, especially to a great man like Giovanni.


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25--- Re: Did Giovanni become an hero? on Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:36 pm

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Paradox wrote:I doubt he's dead. That splash doesn't exactly mean that he died. You only saw him use 4 pokemon in battle, so he probably has 2 HM Slaves and used Surf. I doubt losing to a child four times will make you kill yourself, especially to a great man like Giovanni.

Even more to ponder............ Hmmm...............

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